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WILLIAM PALMER
[c 1585 ­ 1637]
FRANCES
[c 1585 ­ bef 1633]

TENTH GREAT GRANDPARENTS

 Sarah/Ann Palmer   Moses Rowley   Shubael Rowley   Isaac Rowley
Betsey Rowley   Hannah Miner
 Dennis Huntley   Satira Huntley   Frank Kenesson   Clara Kenesson
Maurine Wilson

        William Palmer, one of our tenth great grandfathers, sailed from
England in the Fortune which left London in early July 1621 and arrived
in Plymouth on November 11.  Among the 34 persons sailing with him was
his son and daughter­in­law­­William Jr and his wife.  William Sr's
wife, whom we know only as Frances, did not sail with them, but arrived
in Plymouth two years later in 1623 on the Anne which sailed from London
along with the Little James with about 60 passengers in all.  It was not
uncommon among the early Pilgrims that husbands and wives did not come
together on the same ships.  This was due to limited space on the ships,
and sometimes, limited finances as well.

        William Sr, often referred to in records as "the elder" or "thelder",
was a "nayler" by occupation.  He was evidently much older than the
other passengers.  Records in 1626 in Plymouth show him as a purchaser.
We know nothing of his background, but evidence is somewhat strong that
he was from London since he had a servant called Carvanyell, an odd
surname found in Stepney.  There are records of marriages between the
Palmers and Bassetts at St. Mary's, Whitechapel, the adjoining parish.
But we have no documents that prove William Palmer's ancestry or his
wife'sname.  Claims that William Palmer was the son of Sir John
(William) Palmer and Elizabeth Verney have been proven in error by
Carlton Palmer in an article in The Colonial Genealogist.  The bishop's
transcript at Parham had been read: "Willm, younger sonne of William
Palmer, Esquire, was baptized on 18 April 1585."  Actually it should
read "the child, William, was buried on 18 April 1585."

        In the land allotment records for Plymouth in 1623, William Palmer Sr
received two one­acre lots, one in his name and one for his son who
travelled with him on the Fortune.  His wife Frances received one acre
as a passenger on the Anne.  In the division of cattle in 1627, he, his
son William Jr, and his wife, Frances, were all listed.  In the tax of
January 2, 1632/33, William Sr was taxed 7 shillings.  The following
year's list showed both him and his son as owning property.  William Sr
was taxed 18 shillings and William Jr 9 shillings.  Both are listed as
freemen on the Plymouth list of 1633 which entitled them not only to own
land, but also to bear arms.

        A few years later, William Sr moved from Plymouth to Duxbury where he
remained until his death.  His wife, Frances, probably died around this
time, but norecords of her death have been located.  William Sr died not
long afterwards in 1637, between November 7 when he wrote his will and
November 13 when an inventory of his estate was taken.  We learn from
his will that after his first wife died, he remarried to a "young woman"
whom he does not name.   He begins his will:
        "I, William Palmer, of Duxborrow, Nayler, appoint my loving friends,
Mr. Bradford, Mr. Winslow, and Mr. Pence, my executors.  Whereas I have
married a young woman who is dear to me, I desire she may have not less
than one third of my estate.  To Rebecca, my grandchild, and Moyses
Rowly, whom I love, . . ."

        William Palmer's will was probated March 5, 1638/39.  From various
records, we learn only that his young wife's name was Mary and that she
was pregnant with his child at the time of his death.  This child, who
was also named William Palmer, was born June 27, 1638.  William Palmer
Jr, son of William Sr and his wife Frances had died the year before his
father.  William Jr had married Elizabeth Hodgkins in 1634, and in
1635/36 they had a daughter named Rebecca.  This is the Rebecca
mentioned in William Sr's will as his grandchild.  Also mentioned in the
same sentence with William Sr's granddaughter is Moses Rowley for whose
upbringing William Sr made provisions.  It is almost certain that Moses
Rowley was his grandson­­the son of Henry Rowley and his daughter Sarah
or possibly Ann.

        At the end of his will, William Sr mentioned his "son Henry and
daughter Bridget" and left them 40 shillings each.   The Henry could
have been a son of whom we have no records.  Possibly it was his son­
in­law, Henry Rowley, who married one of William's daughter who had died
several years before her father.  At the period in question, second and
third marriages were quite common due to early deaths caused by
sickness, and the terms sons and daughter were often used for step­sons
and step­daughters as well as for sons­in­law and daughters­in­law.  At
the bottom of his will, he made his mark­­an upside down Y.  Three men
were assigned by the court to make and inventory of William Palmer Sr's
property.  One of them was Jonathan Brewster, one of our ancestors­­our
ninth great grandfathers­­who sailed to Plymouth on the same ship with
William Palmer.

        William Sr's will was somewhat vague and several lawsuits resulted.  On
February 2, 1637/38, John Willis and Elizabeth his wife (Elizabeth was
the daughter­in­law of William Sr and the wife of his deceased son
William Jr) complained in court against William Bradford, Edward
Winslow, and Thomas Pence, the executors of William Palmer's will, that
they had right to a plot of land owned by William Sr.  Another suit was
brought as late as October 20, 1646, by William Sr's "young wife" Mary
Paddock, who remarried between 1644 and 1646 to Robert Paddock.  It was
the second marriage for each of them.

          While we do not know very much about William Palmer and his first
wife, Frances, we do know that William Palmer Sr was well respected in
Plymouth, judging by whom he named as his executors and whom the court
named to handle the inventory­­names well respected in Plymouth:
Bradford, Winslow, Pence, and Brewster.   William Palmer's estate
totalled £111. 12s. and 4p.

October 26, 1996

Banks, Charles Edward.  The English Ancestry and Homes of the Pilgrim
Fathers: Who Came to Plymouth on the Mayflower in 1620, the Fortune in
1621, and the Anne and the Little James in 1623, Genealogical Publsihing
Co, Baltimore, MD, reprinted 1976 with corrections and additions by
Robert Wakefield

Barclay, Mrs. John.  "Notes on the Palmer Family of Plymouth," in The
American Genealogist, Vol 32, p 39­41

Brainard, Homer W. "Henry Rowley and Some of His Decendants," in New
York Genealogical and Biographical Records, Vol 37, April 1906, p 57­59,
256

Crippen­Crippin Family Journal, editor Donna Younkin Logan, Vol 2:2,
Oct­Dec 1994, p 2, disproof of William Palmer's descent from the
Palmers         of Parham, Somerset

Palmer, Carlton.  The Colonial Genealogist, XII:3, p 115

Pope, Charles Henry.  The Plymouth Scrapbook, C E Goodspeed & Co,
Boston, MA, 1918, facsimile of inventory of William Palmer Jr's estate
taken 25 August 1636 by William Brewster, Thomas Pence, and Edmund
Chandelor

Mayflower Descendant, Vol 2, July 1900, p 147, will of William Palmer
reprinted

Roberts, Gary Boyd.  Mayflower Source Records, Genealogical Publishing
Co, Baltimore, 1986, p 508, will of William Palmer Sr

Savage, James.  A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New
England, 4 Volumes, Vol. 3, p 342, William Palmer

Stratton, Eugene Aubrey. Plymouth Colony Its History and People,
1620­1691, Salt Lake City, Utah, Ancestry Publishing, 1986, p 106,
reference to William Palmer and Moses Rowley

Torrey, Clarence Almon.  New England Marriages Prior to 1700, Baltimore,
MD, 1985, p 555, William Palmer's marriages to Frances and to Mary

Virkus, Frederick, The Compendium of American Genealogy, Vol 7, p 872,
William Palmer

Willison, George F.  Saints and Strangers, Reynal & Hitchcock, New York,
1945, p 443­445, listed among the "Strangers" aboard the Fortune; p 446,
Frances aboard the Anne

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Subject: [PALMER-L] Ancestors of Walter Palmer of Stonington
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I have collected the following on the Ancestors of Walter Palmer of
Stonington.  I am looking for comments on its validity. I have had mixed
reviews on the reliability of the main reference:  Crispin, M. Jackson, and
Leonce Macary, 1938.  Falaise Roll Recording Prominent Companions of William
Duke of Normandy at the Conquest of England.  Butler and Tanner Ltd., London.

Thanks

Jeff Briggs

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Descendants of Baset Duke of the Normans of  the Loire

First Generation

1.      Baset Duke of the Normans of the Loire was born about 895.

He had the following children:
        +       2       M       i.      Norman FITZ-BASSET was born about 930.

Second Generation

2.      Norman FITZ-BASSET was born about 930.

He had the following children:
        +       3       M       i.      Osmond Viscount of Vernon was born about 950.

Third Generation

3.      Osmond Viscount of Vernon was born about 950.

Osmond married (1) Gonnor Duchess.

Osmond and Gonnor had the following children:
        +       4       M       i.      Fougue D'AULNAY was born about 990.
                5       M       ii.     Hugh BASSET Baron.
BIOGRAPHY: Historical: Baron of Chateau-Basset abt 990 ad.

Fourth Generation

4.      Fougue D'AULNAY was born about 990.
He had the following children:
        +       6       M       i.      Osmond BASSET Baron.

Fifth Generation

6.      Osmond BASSET Baron.
BIOGRAPHY: Historical:  Baron of Normanville, Companion of William the
Conqueror, 1066.
BIOGRAPHY: Reference: Crispin, M. Jackson, and Leonce Macary, 1938.  Falaise
Roll Recording Prominent Companions of William Duke of Normandy at the
Conquest of England.  Butler and Tanner Ltd., London.
He had the following children:
                7       M       i.      Hugh Fitz-Osmond BASSET.
                8       M       ii.     Ralph BASSET.
                9       M       iii.    William BASSET.
                10      M       iv.     Norman BASSET.
                11      M       v.      Richard BASSET.
        +       12      M       vi.     Anchetel PALMARIUS Lord of Cosham was born about 1110.

Sixth Generation

12.     Anchetel PALMARIUS Lord of Cosham was born about 1110.
BIOGRAPHY: Historical:  Lord of Cosham and of Sussex.
He had the following children:
        +       13      M       i.      Geoffry PALMARIUS.

Seventh Generation

13.     Geoffry PALMARIUS.

He had the following children:
        +       14      M       i.      Herbertus PALMARIUS Crusader.

Eighth Generation

14.     Herbertus PALMARIUS Crusader.
BIOGRAPHY: Historical: Went on second Crusade about 1148 ad.

He had the following children:
        +       15      M       i.      Herbertus LE PALMER.

Ninth Generation

15.     Herbertus LE PALMER.
He had the following children:
        +       16      M       i.      William LE PALMER Crusader.
                17      M       ii.     Peter PALMARIUS was born in of Cosham.

Tenth Generation

16.     William LE PALMER Crusader was born in of Sussex.
BIOGRAPHY: Third Crusade with King Richard Coeur-de-Leon abt 1190.
He had the following children:
        +       18      M       i.      Henricus LE PALMER was born about 1200.

Eleventh Generation

18.     Henricus LE PALMER was born about 1200 in of Sussex.
He had the following children:
                19      M       i.      Robert LE PALMER was born in of Yorkshire.
BIOGRAPHY: This line most likely gravitated into the counties of
Nottinghamshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, and Essex.
        +       20      M       ii.     Henry LE PALMER.
                21      M       iii.    William LE PALMER was born in of Leigh, Kent, ENG.

Twelfth Generation

20.     Henry LE PALMER.
He had the following children:
        +       22      M       i.      Radulphus (Ralph) PALMER.

Thirteenth Generation

22.     Radulphus (Ralph) PALMER.
He had the following children:
        +       23      M       i.      John PALMER.

Fourteenth Generation

23.     John PALMER.
He had the following children:
        +       24      M       i.      Adam PALMER was born about 1350.

Fifteenth Generation

24.     Adam PALMER was born about 1350.
He had the following children:
        +       25      M       i.      Robert PALMER Sr. was born about 1375.

Sixteenth Generation

25.     Robert PALMER Sr. was born about 1375.
He had the following children:
        +       26      M       i.      Robert PALMER Jr. was born about 1410.

Seventeenth Generation

26.     Robert PALMER Jr. was born about 1410.
He had the following children:
        +       27      M       i.      John PALMER Sr..

Eighteenth Generation

27.     John PALMER Sr..
John married (1) Julian. Julian was born about 1400 in Angmering, Sussex, ENG.
They had the following children:
        +       28      M       i.      John PALMER Jr. was born about 1423.

Nineteenth Generation

28.     John PALMER Jr. was born about 1423 in Angmering, Sussex, ENG.
John married (1) Isabel BILTON. Isabel was born about 1433.
They had the following children:
        +       29      M       i.      Robert PALMER was born about 1480 and died 24 Apr 1582.
                30      M       ii.     Sir Edward PALMER was born in of Angmering.

Twentieth Generation

29.     Robert PALMER was born about 1480 in of Parham Park, Sussex, ENG. He
died 24 Apr 1582.

Robert married (1) Bridget Beatrix WESSE about 1505 in Kent, ENG. Bridget
was born about 1494 in Parham, Sussex, ENG.
They had the following children:
        +       31      M       i.      Sir Thomas PALMER Knt. was born about 1508 and died 24 Apr 1585.
                32      M       ii.     Robert PALMER.
                33      M       iii.    Richard PALMER.

Twenty-First Generation

31.     Sir Thomas PALMER Knt. was born about 1508 in Parham, Sussex, ENG. He
died 24 Apr 1585 in Sussex, ENG.
Sir married (1) Catherine STRADLING, daughter of Sir Edward STRADLING Knt.
and Elizabeth ARUNDELL before 1545 in ENG. Catherine was born about 1512 in
Fairfield, Somersetshire, ENG. She died 24 Apr 1585.
They had the following children:
        +       34      M       i.      John PALMER was born 14 Jul 1544.

Twenty-Second Generation

34.     John PALMER was born 14 Jul 1544 in Parham, Somersetshire, ENG. He died
in ENG.
John married (1) Elizabeth VARNEY, daughter of Sir Henry VERNEY Knt..
Elizabeth was born about 1558 in Stogursey, Somerset, England.
They had the following children:
                35      F       i.      Catherine PALMER was born 1580. She died 30 Sep 1609 and was
buried in St. Martins, Chilton Courey, Somersetshire, ENG.
Catherine married (1) Thomas HINTON Knt., son of Anthony HINTON Esqr. and
Martha WARNFORD on 1595. Thomas was born 1574 in Earlstote, ENG. He died 1
Feb in Earlstote, ENG.
                36      M       ii.     Walter PALMER was born 1585 in of, Nottinghamshire, England. He
died 10 Nov 1661 in Stonington, New London, CT.
Death: Pope's "Pioneers of Massachusetts" says he died at Sothertowne,
Suffolk Co., MA; will probated there on 11 May 1662; wife and son Elihu were
executors Alternative death date is 16 Nov 1661.

>From "Immigrant Ancestors" by Virkus: Walter Palmer (1585-1661/1662) from
England to Salem, MA 1628;  at Charlestown 1629-1643; freeman 1834;
constable 1633; removed to Rehobeth; first representative to the General
Court (legislature) from Rehobeth.  Founder of Stonington, CT 1653;  married
(1) Ann (Elizabeth) ______; m 2 1633 Rebecca Short; m (3) Esther ______.
Torrey' New England Marriages gives reference that the first child of the
marriage to Rebecca Short produced a child born 1 Jun 1633/34 and list
Charlestown and/or Roxbury as the town.
Death:
Walter married (1) Ann (Elizabeth).
Walter also married (2) Rebecca SHORT on 1 Jun 1633 in Charlestown, Suffolk,
MA. Rebecca was born about 1607 in Nottinghamshire, England. She died 15 Jul
1671 in Stonington, New London, CT.
Walter also married (3) Ester.

John also married (2) Ann (Elizabeth) ESTHER.

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